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Sandy Morgan
Posted on Wednesday, June 14, 2000 - 07:50 pm:   

Hello,

I have been encouraged to introduce myself to this Bulletin Board.I am Sandy. I am an Native American who firmly believes in its ways. I was an operating room nurse for 22 years and a First Assistant. My special area was Open Heart Surgery. I have seen a lot in Modern Medicine and know its bad points and good points,according to my opinion. People are more open about herbs and the mind, spirit, body healing now then even five years ago. We all need to try to visit this board and introduce ourselves. We need to have a communication established so If someone needs an answer they know here they will get a response. Ms.Ingrid has provided us a space with a good heart, so let's use it in a good way.
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Lynn
Posted on Saturday, February 10, 2001 - 10:00 am:   

Hello All, I have logged onto this board February, 2001. I see all of the posts are from last spring! Is anyone still visiting this board? I would love to join in on any discussions relating to this wonderful subject.

Lynn
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Ingrid
Posted on Saturday, February 10, 2001 - 12:37 pm:   

Lynn and others,

The board is alive. All you have to do is kick off a discussion and you will discover there are others reading, but perhaps not using the board as much as is possible.

Ingrid
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ruthfree@bigpond.com
Posted on Thursday, February 22, 2001 - 05:25 pm:   

Dear Everyone,

I am a Medical Herbalist who practices in Australia and New Zealand. I am looking forward to discussing this wonderful process with any one out there. I have worked with two ladys using this method my first lady is now recovering well although her treatment has taken nearly four months. She was diagnosed with breast cancer which had spread to her liver, and was given 6 months to live. Her tumor which was huge, was removed,in November and there was some residual so we proceeded with a new eschar this came of on 25/12/2000. Since then she has been recovering the liver amazingly also seems to be clear, although we are awaiting medical confirmation of this. She is taking a while to fully recover emm emotionally and physically. My new lady who is presently being treated is going very well,although yesterday 22/02/2001, the early forming eschar decided to come away,I donot know the reason why? I have restarted the salve process using the same formula and had added a little bit of zinc, has anyone else had the experience when the eschar starts to form and then softens and comes off, I had just started to make the scratchers and the site waslooking good the only changes I made was that I stopped using the zinc in the paste 2 days ago and then the eschar softened and came off.I would love to have discussion with somebody regarding this.

Kindest Regards,
Ruth Free, Australia
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Ruth Free
Posted on Tuesday, March 06, 2001 - 06:46 pm:   

Dear Everyone,
Just an update on the above message,I have been having discussion,regarding bloodroot on the Goldenseal/Bloodroot, post,the above lady is doing very well the new forming eschar is looking good and is not soft and soggy its blistering and joining together,although has started making another one in slighly different area,the pain is minimal, and she is very happy, and so am I. If they were all like this it would be great,Are there any practioners out there working with this process in Australia or Aotearoa(N.Z)???????please
contact, as I would Love to talk,with you
Kind Regards,
Ruth Free.
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ruthfree
Posted on Thursday, March 15, 2001 - 07:56 pm:   

Dear Everyone,

An update on the last posting,the eschar has been forming well and cuts have been being made recently,the pain has been bearable although a few days ago my lady started taking painkillers at night to help her sleep,2 days ago,14th March when she was changing the dressing she noticed the escahar starting to soften and there was a discharge although not smelling, she applied the same paste, goldenseal, tumeric, white willow bark, poke root(FE),apricot oil and 50 drops of Zinc Choride(as per Ingrid's dilution). Yesterday 15th March 2001, when we changed the dressing the discharge was very noticeable and when we bathed off the dry paste, the top of the eschar came away, the bottom of it is still there and its now become soft, my poor lady was quite upset and said what are we doing wrong????she said she had read that discharge was the bodies way of saying she was still toxic, but as she is following Gersons diet, and doing the enemas,she felt that she was not that toxic!!! I do not know the answer to this!When I dressed the site yesterday I just put on a dressing gauze soaked in a mixture of Goldenseal (F.E.) and Apricot oil and my hope is that the eschar will start to harden up, am I on the right track ?.The only other one that I have had experience with did not react like this,although we kept waiting for the discharge and it didn't happen. I am posting this with the hope that someone will please help me understand, what is going on here.

Thanks
Kind Regards
Ruth Free.
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Ingrid
Posted on Thursday, March 15, 2001 - 08:24 pm:   

Ruth,

First, I'm not sure what "FE" means? Does this mean "flower essence"?

Second, while I try not to comment on people's choices, I personally have very little appreciation for coffee enemas. This is such a big topic that I don't think we can wrap it up in one statement so I'll start a new discussion for it.

Third, I don't think you are doing anything wrong. The discharge is quite variable. It tends to be profuse at times but not consistently. It is often great just before and after the eschar detaches, but this matter isn't predictable. Some people have discharges for eight months.

Fourth, it may be that the enucleation was not proceeding absolutely according to the book. For it to work well, the crack around the perimeter has to move at about the same rate as the scratches you are making on the surface. It sounds like the top of the eschar detached, but that the roots are still there. Perhaps the tumor is large, deep, or simply not reached completely by the ointments.

Fifth, you are mixing and matching. Pattison opted for a period of dryness. Re-read the chapter and see if you can visualize what he meant in the context of this patient.

Sixth, you are using apricot oil and some kind of goldenseal topically, not the enucleating ointment. This would have a bearing on both pain and softness. The oil would surely soften the tumor. The absence of white willow bark would probably worsen the pain, but it's not clear what her pain level was when you first changed the preparation.

Seventh, I'm not sure what you used as a dressing gauze, but be sure that it is not wicking up the oil. It does not sound like this occurred because you saturated the gauze from what I understood.

Eighth, the preparations I have mixed have the consistency of toothpaste. They are not therefore oils. I have made a turmeric-based thinner substance in the crack itself (with goldenseal) to promote separation and reduce scarring.

Ninth, why would she have a tumor if her detoxification were complete? Wouldn't it starve to death and detach?

Hope this helps. Check now for coffee enemas.
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Ruth Free
Posted on Thursday, April 05, 2001 - 08:35 pm:   

Dear Ingrid,
Thank you for your last message, The answer to your question re F.E. I am using 1-1 fluid extracts not the flower essences, after posting the last message, I went to the book and tried to understand what Patterson talked about, well it cam to me that I had to thin the paste and add a bit of Calendula, so made up this mix, and applied it, the eschar has harden up and some new areas started to take up as well, the site now looks very good we started making cuts 3 days ago and every day the eschar is hardening and things are moving along nicely, we have now received some help in form of dressings and support from the District nurses, they have been vey interested in the process and very supportive of my ladys decision in the process, We would like to start sending updates of this process,unfortuneatly I have not workes out how to send the photos to you,but am hoping that someone will be able to teach me how to do this soon. Thank you for your help and will be in touch, How exciting to hear the news regarding the large tumour removal, looking forward to the updates.I am presently trying to orginise funding for research so that I can do more of these processes.My lady has also decided to stop using the coffee enemas after reading your information, I have never used them myself or with my patients,so was unable to advise her, thankfully she read your information and made her decision which I am happy about.
God bless,
Arohanui
Ruth
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Ingrid
Posted on Thursday, April 05, 2001 - 09:41 pm:   

Dear Ruth,

I am mostly curious about your sign off "arohanui" because it sounds so much like the Hawaiian "aloha nui" so I'm wondering if we are all distant cousins traveling on the currents that bring our paths together at crucial and celebratory times.

Pattison did not explain how he made his calendula ointment. This is why I changed the method a bit. I have begun using some turmeric oleoresin instead of some of the powder. By doing this, the preparation is less crumbly and doesn't dry out as fast.

Your documentation and research will be greatly appreciated, especially by people such as the lady who persevered (and succeeded) despite lack of guidance.

I do not want to be the final word on coffee enemas, but I am not even slightly convinced that they are needed.

Keep us posted.
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Ruth Free
Posted on Tuesday, April 10, 2001 - 08:51 pm:   

Dear Ingrid,
Arohanui is Maori for lots of love, Aroha meaning love and nui meaning a lot off. Or Large. We were taught that Maori came on the great waka(boat) from Waikaiki(Hawaii) and they travelled till they reached the long white cloud which was Aotearoa(NZ) so I think that yes we are all whanau(family)from the same place. When I was in Hawaii in Hilo I noticed that the native langauge was very much the same as the reo(talk) that we speak at home.
Our ladies are called Wahine,our men called Tane,
the ledgends of Maui are the same,we were taught that Maui fished up the North Island from the South Island with a hook made from his grandmothers jaw,hence our wearing of the bone fish hook.I loved Hawaii and its people it reminded me a lot of Aotearoa, and the people also looked the same, beautiful brown skins, and also blonde fair people these we call pakeha or waka blondes.Hope you have a very safe and happy Easter and will keep you posted,
Arohanui,
Ruth
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Ingrid
Posted on Tuesday, April 10, 2001 - 11:33 pm:   

How extraordinary! As it is transcribed, the Hawaiian language does not have a "t" such as in Tahiti and places further south. I learned that the "t" became a glottal stop (which is written with an apostrophe.) So, "aloha nui" is perfect Hawaiian unless, of course, one wants to say, "aloha nui loa" like I want to say to you right now.
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ruthfree
Posted on Thursday, April 19, 2001 - 07:21 am:   

Ingrid,
What does the loa mean??? My feeling is that it means great or a lot of --like our nui, please let me know,also I got a reply from my posting regarding product.
Thanks
Arohanui
Ruth
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Ruth Free
Posted on Thursday, April 19, 2001 - 08:00 pm:   

Dear Ingrid,
A quick update about my lady, she spoke to me this morning and the eschar has hardened well,athough it is now quite patchy as some areas softened and came off a few weeks ago, these areas did not react again even though paste was put on, she now has about four seperate small areas that have a hard eschar attached to them, she said she feels that it is starting to come off, I will see her this morning,my feeling is that these areas will come off and we will have to start the process again, the tumour has become smaller in size, but can still be felt underneath the breast.I am unable to understand why the eschar did not stay as one piece, and then detach as one? is it because it has taken up areas under the skin where the cancer was close to the surface, and where the tumour is deep the areas still have the eschar attached, which will start to detach soon,does this make sense!!. Anyway she is feeling well and not in a great deal of pain, and is quite happy to continue the process for as long as it takes. I sometimes feel inadequate reagarding this process, but have great faith in the human body and natures way, Thank you for providing this sounding board,
God Bless,
Ruth.

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