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Ingrid
| | Posted on Thursday, February 22, 2001 - 11:28 am: | |
It has now been a few years since we received the first batch of the compound syrup scrophularia and a little bit later of the trifolium syrup. At first, these were simply historic re-creations using the steam displacement process advocated by Dr. Eli Jones almost one hundred years ago. The original batch consisted of 19-8 oz. bottles of scrophularia syrup and the first person who used it, in conjunction with the compound cerate belladona, had a total remission of a metastatic tumor on her clavicle within ten days. The tumor was the size of a nectarine. We were so encouraged that we made plans for steadier production, meaning planting figwort and improving the equipment design.
I have now received feedback from quite a number of practitioners and patients. I have also looked at the darkfield microscope blood analysis of a number of patients using these products. In short, one can see the difference in the blood within 20-30 minutes. The changes are, however, significant over the course of a month.
Scrophularia, as one might expect of an herb of this name, tends to work a little more definitely on swellings and masses. I think it is also more lymphatic-white blood cell specific whereas trifolium seems to be more detoxifying and red blood cell specific, but these lines are not hard and fast and there is some overlap. Moreover, many patients take both.
I feel that the scrophularia tonic is more subtle. I have used it myself on undiagnosed lumps, all of which disappeared completely over the course of a few months. One lump was almost four inches long so I feel this is quite significant.
The trifolium syrup is my own version of the Hoxsey formula, but it is also essentially the same as the Eclectic formulas as well as those used by Dr. John Christopher and Chief Sundance. It works a little more directly on elimination (contains cascara sagrada) and is probably somewhat more specifically anti-cancer in action. Many patients have an almost immediate reduction in pain within hours of their first dose.
More importantly, everyone who has taken the recommended dose or higher of one or the other or both of these products has managed to hold their own without any complications.
This is a difficult situation for me at this time because while we are entirely satisfied with the clinical applications, patients are complaining about the price. There is basically nothing we can do about the costs without compromising quality. The steam displacement process is labor-intensive and requires the use of fresh herbs. We process each herb individually and combine them as needed.
I am considering tableted versions of both of these products, but my previous experience with red clover combination, a formula similar to the trifolium compound produced by Nature's Way some years ago is that the patients taking the syrup got well whereas those using the capsules or tea did not. Based on the darkfield analyses, it would seem that the syrup is an excellent carrier. The fact that we see improvement in white blood cell activity within minutes suggests that whatever the controversy surrounding sugars of all types, it delivers the herbs where they are needed. We however do not use sugar. After some trial and error, we opted for honey and it is working wonderfully. |
Ingrid
| | Posted on Monday, March 05, 2001 - 08:32 pm: | |
We now have one-ounce samples of both of these tonics that practitioners can request (for a small fee) to look into the products before deciding whether or not to use them with patients. |
Susan Turner
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 06, 2001 - 12:10 pm: | |
Ingrid,
I was wondering if the honey in the trifolium syrup is cooked or heated.
Thank you for this wonderful site. |
Lynn
| | Posted on Monday, April 09, 2001 - 04:22 pm: | |
Hi Ingrid,
I was speaking with a patient today about them trying the Scrophularia Syrup. They wanted me to write and ask you specifically again, are all of the herbs used in the formula made from fresh herbs? (I did read your above post, but they wanted me to ask you pointblank. sorry for the repetition)They wanted to know about the roots, were they harvested in the fall? Lastly, they wanted to know what is meant by "syrup (Ovi)" [in your book, page 193] and why you use honey?
The husband calculated it out and said that would be 2 oz. of syrup per day. They are concerned about costs.
One other question for you (this one is for me!) Have you tried the Scroph. syrup specifically on lypomas or know of anyone else who has? I have 1 on my arm that I was thinking of giving it a try.
Thank you in advance,
Lynn |
Ingrid
| | Posted on Monday, April 09, 2001 - 05:24 pm: | |
Partial answer, the rest to come.
We first made the scrophularia syrup with syrup, meaning honey. I went ballistic because sugar is no longer the wonderful food it might have been a century ago. We tried fructose. It has a after taste that I personally find ghastly. Then, I stumbled on something about medicinal values and even anti-cancer effects of honey. I was surprised, maybe even dubious.
We make all the products in extract form as well (even the scrophularia which is not currently posted but I have it.) Four ounces of this is equivalent to about 9 ounces of the honey-based product, but my experience with the honey is better. Contrary to what we might imagine, it seems to enter the bloodstream faster.
I personally feel that honey enhances certain herbs, maybe more than I realize. I think it improves the action of ginger and astragalus, but maybe this is a more general rule.
There is basically almost nothing I can do about the price. I have discussed this with the owner of the lab that produces these products. We have talked about an off-season variety that uses dried herbs, but we are afraid it would be a much less effective product. I have personally thought of tableting (and probably will introduce a few such products in the future), but again, lives are at stake and this is not an area to economize.
I also feel strongly that the conventional extracts, i.e., normal herbal preparations are not nearly as potent as the steam displaced ones. |
Lynn
| | Posted on Monday, April 09, 2001 - 09:34 pm: | |
Ingrid,
Sounds good so far! I'm hanging on waiting for part 2! I promised these folks I would get back with them after I heard from you. He knows just enough about herbs from reading books to be a lovable pain in my butt. ;- ) I know it is out of fear and concern for his wife.
He bought a copy of your book and is driving me crazy with it. He keeps disecting parts and drilling me for info. I just keep reminding him that I didn't write the book.
Please let me know about the Ovi and also about the freshness and the time of the year the plants are harvested.
Thanks again,
Lynn |
Ingrid
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 10, 2001 - 03:32 am: | |
Dear Ingrid
The Eli Jones Compound Scrophularia syrup has been one of the most challenging preparations I have been asked to produce. In addition to tracking down and assembling the apparatus for steam displacement, a process which I believe few, if any, other medicine makers have an understanding of, the problem of bringing together the botanicals is more complex than it might first appear. Jones is careful to point out that only fresh herbs should be used. Yet, the ingredients are not all obtainable fresh at the same time of year.
I considered carefully his admonition "fresh herbs". Does he mean green, undried or fresh as opposed to stale? Is he referring to only herbs by the strict definition of a herb - the above ground portion of a plant which dies back to the ground every year (of which the Scrophularia is the only one), or was he meaning all of the botanical ingredients in the formula, including berries, barks and roots? My conclusion, and the way that I work, is that we are to use fresh (green, undried ) Scrophularia herb and root (we have been successful in growing this in the greenhouse during winter months, and have planted it on several nearby farms, including one which is Demeter certified Biodynamic).
The roots present another complication. Podophyllum is only above ground in the spring. Here, it is unfindable by the end of June. I dig these in the spring, on dates when the energies are in the roots according to Stella Natura, the Biodynamic calendar. Then I preserve them in grain alcohol until it is time to use them for this compound. I incorporate the roots as well as the alcohol into the compound displacement.
Rumex and Phytolacca are dug at the time of displacement, again on days which are appropriate for root work according to Stella N. Juniper berries are gathered when mature and like the Podophyllum are preserved and used as each batch is made. We are able to dig Celastrus as we process each batch, as we made a special planting of them on the property. The Guaiacum is not native to our area, it grows in the Caribbean. We have a source for this and are chipping it as needed for each batch.
I believe that it would be impossible to bring all the ingredients together in a fresh, undried state at the same time due to the fact that they grow in different areas of the world and have different seasons of maturity. I would love to be able to talk to Eli Jones, or his medicine maker. We could definitely relate to his phrase "until strength is exhausted" !!!
The meaning of Ovi is: O = pint; vi = 6 Ovi = 6 pints
Peace ! Jim |
Jim
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 10, 2001 - 09:58 am: | |
Maybe the response I sent last night was not direct enough. The herbs used in the formula are made from fresh herbs. The roots are also fresh harvested. The podophyllum is dug in the spring, as it dies back totally each year in early summer. The wood chips (guaiacum) are from a species which grows in the Caribbean; they are dried blocks of wood, shaved just prior to use.
The other roots are harvested freshly as each batch is made. We have spent a lot of effort in propagating these on the property so they are available as needed.
We used honey because there were objections to the sugar syrup which was specified by Eli Jones. This after trying a batch with fructose which was not satisfactory.
Ovi O = pint vi = 6 |
John
| | Posted on Monday, September 03, 2001 - 08:56 pm: | |
I have questions about why use a syrup with honey for cancer vs. alcohol or tea preparations?
My treatment plan includes placing the patient on a low glycemic diet along with blood cleansing herbs and Vitamin C IV and H2O2.
Hydrocolonics and tumor attacking herbs. The low glycemic diet to starve the cancer. I assume the honey or syrup is used to coax or to help push the herbs into the tumor, like fooling the tumor to thinking it is getting fed. Please comment. |
Ingrid
| | Posted on Monday, September 03, 2001 - 09:00 pm: | |
It's a good question, one you should post to the board. Here is what I know. I had a clinic in Santa Fe in which I used mainly products
manufactured by others, the opposite ratio as today. Then, we might have made 10-20% of our remedies whereas today it's closer to 90%. At that time, Nature's Way had a very simple Red Clover Combination that was available in capsules and as a syrup, with sugar, I assume. Quite horrifying, but all those who were using the formula in the syrup form got well whereas others didn't. Nature's Way stopped making this product. I bought all the remaining inventory I could scrounge up.
It wasn't until Jim came along that we decided to make syrups again. In the beginning, he wanted to be 100% historically authentic. I said that I used to live in Hawaii and I know how sugar is grown and how it is processed. After I went to the refinery, I swore I'd never touch the stuff again.
We actually made some fructose and jaggery and other things. Then, I read something about honey having some anticancer properties. To tell you the truth, we haven't done any darkfield microscope analysis of people taking herbs in tinctures or teas, but the honey syrups go into the bloodstream in minutes. You can see a significant difference in 20-30 minutes and even more in the days that follow.
So, while I agree with you about the low glycemic diet, I think it's more complicated than this. In days past, cancer was always described as a
deficiency condition. I suppose it's like the modern concern with dehydration. People seem to be fine but someone is saying we all need to be drinking more water . . . which water?
Anyway, it may not work at all like we think. In other words, the herbs may not actually go on search and destroy missions. In darkfield work, all I see is the blood, not the tumor. However, I see blood that is full of garbage and this vanishes, usually in about a month's time. This is achieved by feeding the white blood cells what they need in order to be efficient and this is, I believe, the clue to the success of the tonics.
Where bloodroot is concerned, the herb may be cytotoxic but it's also possible that the gigantic inflammatory reaction that one sees with external applications is still an immune response, not a direct assault on the tumor? I'm not sure, but of this much I am sure. Early diagnosis patients are testing negative for cancer after 16 oz. of trifolium, with honey (which has alcohol -- you know that, right?)
Lastly, cancer patients may have such slow metabolisms that their assimilation is poor. We don't know if we are feeding tumors or people who happen to have tumors, but when the people are better, they may reject the tumors. I sort of think that the allopathic model does us a grave disservice because we think something is going to attack a tumor, but it may not work that way at all? |
steve
| | Posted on Thursday, May 13, 2004 - 05:59 pm: | |
I have a client with what appears to be lung cancer, the pleural area is drained of fluid once a week (1.5 liters each time). The fluid extracted has cancer cells (but scans show no tumors). Client has cachexia, persistent cough and shivers, 65 years old, asthma, never smoked. Which of your product(s) would you recommend. Thanks much, Steve |
Ingrid
| | Posted on Friday, May 21, 2004 - 01:09 am: | |
Phytolacca Syrup and perhaps also the Corydalis plus heating herbs, like a very simple trikatu and maybe some therapeutic inhalant. |
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