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     Lynn |
Dear Ingrid, I just found out that one of my patients (the case history I was telling you about regarding the melanoma)was bullied into having surgery this coming Friday. She went in to see her surgeon today for follow up after 2 sessions of using C-Herb. I was all set to blend up a salve based on Pattison's method for her. She discovered a pea size lump in the area above her armpit (when the arm is raised over her head.) I felt very strongly that the 2 applications could have possibly brought this new nodule to light. A year ago, when the melanoma first appeared, she tested positive in 2 out of 16 lymph nodes that were removed. Her surgeon was adamant about scheduling her surgery for this coming Friday as he walked out of the room. I can't talk her out of the surgery, she feels that he will abandon her if she refuses. My questions are: what do you think of powdering the Goldenseal, Turmeric, and possibly a little Blood Root and encapsulating them for her? I would like for her to start on them immediately after the surgery. Do you think the herbs have the potential to work internally as well as externally? My other question is this: we are going to wait to see what the 2 pathology reports say, but my gut instinct is to start applying the Pattison salve once she clears her 4 week follow-up appt. This guy missed some of the cancer cells a year ago. She had a recurrance at the same site this past Dec. That is the area that we applied the 2 treatments to. Then last night, she discovered this small pea in the upper armpit/lower arm area. He also missed that today upon palpating the area. My patient pointed it out to him! What do you think about applying the Pattison salve to the area once the stitches are removed and the surgeon gives her clearance at the 4 week point? I can't help but think it would be a nice follow up to the surgery. Any thoughts or ideas you might have???? | ||
| Ruth Free |
Dear Lynn, I have been reading your correspondence, and was wondering if your lady might consider getting herself another surgeon, how dare they pressure her into doing something with the threat of abandonment,this seems to be a common pattern with some breast cancer patients,that they feel people will abandon them if they don,t conform to others thinking. As for the internal mixes,I,m sure that it would be good for her,but I don,t know about the blood root?What about the Hoxsey tonic?? The Pattison salve after the stitches are removed sounds a really good idea, hopefully it will take up anything that is left,as this surgeons record for complete removal does not sound the best.I have found that sometimes when the pastes are used other lumps start to appear and in one case the lumps started to move towards the main tumor, in N.Z. the maori healers,always told us that the main tumor always has daughters, and that with poultices the daughters will always return to the mother tumor,and then you are able to remove them.What a pity that your patient would not perserve with the non surgical removal,my lady here in Australia was also pressured into surgery, but she decided after talking to me and reading Ingrids site that she would try Pattisons salve first, and is going very well.Any way I hope that she decides to try Pattison salve after treatment.Personally I have not treated anyone who has had any surgery, Lynn where abouts are you in the world, as its nice to hear from someone else who is using this interesting treatment.Well I hope this has been of some interest to you, and hope to keep in touch, Kind Regards, Ruth. | ||
| Ingrid |
Dear Lynn and Ruth, I hesitated to jump in here. First, before anyone can begin anything, the patient needs to be in agreement with the procedure. If the patient lacks the information necessary to make an informed decision, the odds very much favor someone with experience, credentials, and authority making that decision for the patient. Lynn said that the tumor is a melanoma, but Ruth heard somehow "breast cancer." The fact is that melanomas are notoriously difficult to treat using allopathic methods so the patient, if indeed this is a melanoma, needs to know the risks of disseminating the tumor as well as the odds of successful removal using one or another method of removal. Intuitively, Ruth has hit upon the idea of using the Hoxsey internal tonic (basically our trifolium syrup is the same as the Hoxsey tonic) and this would conform to Hoxsey's method of treating a melanoma, only he would have started the patient on the tonic months before using anything externally. This is my preferred strategy also. I am very interested in the Maori belief that the tumor has children or a parent (mother). Dr. Stephen Snow at the University of Wisconsin said that under the microscope, using the Mohs method, one sees each cell linked to the next like "children holding hands." Assuming that this is a breast cancer with metastasis to the nodes and underarm area, the patient is suffering from quite advanced malignancy so that just as allopaths will generally suggest chemotherapy for metastatic cancers, local treatment is not enough. In short, the internal treatments are preferable to the external. However, in this case, the surgeon is eager to operate so what he sees is not systemic or widely disseminated and the fact that he missed some of the cancer on the first go around does not mean that he is incompetent or that he would put the patient at risk again. It is the nature of cancer to hide and to surface out of nowhere. It is extremely hard for surgeons to see what is going on because they have to work fast and in the presence of blood. This is why the salves are so interesting because you can observe in detail using magnifying glasses, photographic enlargements (digital to computer instantly), and over a period of time instead of in a compressed time frame. A middle of the way choice might be to use a salve post-operatively and while hospitals might be reluctant to permit this, it is perfectly safe to use a mild enucleating ointment immediately after surgery. It may, in fact, be the ideal time to use such a treatment. Finally, the question of capsules . . . I personally do not think that powdered bloodroot is much of a treatment. Bloodroot is a highly unusual herb and should be used fresh or tinctured. It is difficult to powder, Nature's way of telling us not to use it this way. It tastes terrible, suggesting that it is not really intended for internal use except in truly minute amounts. It irritates the nostrils and lungs of the person grinding the herb, this for days and hours later, even if the compounder wears a mask. The reason I published so many formulae in my book is to show what others have done. Of all mixtures I studied, the trifolium and scrophularia syrups have the longest and surest track record. Why would anyone want to invent something new before using the ones that have survived the test of time. Once one understands the disease and the uniqueness of each individual patient, one can vary the formulas. In the meantime, I would definitely not only stick with what we know but also with the method of production. I honestly think we improved upon the Hoxsey formula. Over the years, I have met many patients who have been to the Tijuana clinic. Many showed me their treatment sites and a few gave me samples of the elixir to taste. It is very mild and poor quality (in my opinion.) However, it has kept people alive. So, I made a few substitutions in the formula, like Oregon grape root for barberry and Irish moss for potassium iodide, and my lab expert used the production method we were already using for the compound syrup scrophularia, i.e., fresh herbs processed by steam displacement, each herb separately. The quality is extraordinary and the risk of providing inadequate support for the patient is greatly reduced by using products we know have worked for countless people for many, many years. | ||
| Lynn |
Dear Ruth and Ingrid, Thank you both for your input. I also really liked your story shared by the Maori. What a wonderful way to relate it. This woman lives in a very small town in Virginia. Her Dr. is the only surgeon in town. She is also of a faith that prohibits her from arguing or what she called, "being ugly". I have spoken with her 2 times since her follow up appt. this past Monday. She is very upset at having to have the surgery, but has resigned herself to it. She is very relieved to know that we can pick up and resume treatment if it is necessary. I did think about an internal formula and went ahead and blended powdered Goldenseal and Turmeric together and encapsulated some for her. She will work with these for the next 4 weeks until we can begin external treatment. I did not completely spell out her treatment protocols over the past year. Since her initial diagnosis of melanoma (right shoulder and 2 lymph nodes from the right axillary region, 16 nodes removed in all), she has been on a very thorough botanical treatment program. She has been on Essiac Tea; TID, Red Clover Tincture, Asparagus Tuber Tincture, and monthly cycles of a Lymph Compound formula that contains Figwort, Red Root, and Cleavers. She has been regularly monitored by chest x-rays and lab work to check for any metastasis. These have all been negative. Her most recent ones were 1/15/01. Her surgeon even admitted that this is a reoccurance. As for the knot in her upper armpit region, it is 1/2 inch from her incision. Her surgeon feels that the herbs might have brought this new lump to the surface. He admitted to her that he thought the herbs did a lot of good. He now has clear margins of where the tumor is. Before, he had no idea. He said for safety's sake he would go in and cut out a 4" x 4" area, down into the muscle. He warned her that she would require skin grafts and it would cause permit disability to her right arm to some degree, depending on how much muscle he had to take. He is now only taking a small area surrounding the tumor. And will cut out the knot only at the base of the arm. I am in Minnesota, Ruth. Please feel free to e-mail me directly @ DrLynnMN@aol.com I would love to chat more in-depth with you. | ||
| rpregis |
Jan.17 2006 Hi Ingrid and posters, This is an update on the husband DH (dear husband) and wife DW (dear wife) that contacted me the week of Christmas and asked me to help them acquire several bottles of Hoxey Tonic. He has a Pancoast tumor on the apex of his right lung. This is a subcategory of a lung tumor because of the location and the way it behaves. When they contacted me he had been informed that it was about 7cm or the size of a tennis ball and had gotten into the two most upper ribs. At that time they were awaiting the results of the biopsy. They had started on the Hoxey Tonic, were using a photon machine that I believe is supposed to help purify the blood and blood plasma, and were planning to try the salves. When they returned from the meeting with the Oncologist in which the results of the biopsy were discuss they returned full of fear and began loosing their way from their initial instincts. It is true that the situation is very serious in that it's an invasive type of cancer and is moving quickly now. His DW read the diagnosis to me: 1. a moderate to poorly differentiated non-small cell carcinoma, consistent with adnocarcinoma, -4.(this looks like a staging indicatior) 2. "fna right lung" are two cores of tan orange tissue, 1.8cm each as well as a few fragments all in one. (I do not understand the second part) As the days go by they are being told that if he doesn't do regular radiation followed by chemo that he will die soon. He's also in a lot of pain sometimes. I truly understand that his condition is very serious. I also see that there are no true options that support people to choose. Where do you get a second opinion that's differnt from the first. Now I'm watching two people who were going in one direction turn and go in another, one that neither really believes in but can be talked into when imminent death is chanted. Any comments? Where is the other road in the North Country of NYS.USA Ingrid, do the salves work on non-small cell carcinomas? Renee | ||
| Ingrid |
Renee, The trouble is we cannot be sure who will respond to which treatment. In an ideal situation, the patient would be gently guided by people who are conversant with many options so if one fails, there is another waiting in the wings. In a best case scenario, the tumor detaches and is discharged through whatever channels are available. This usually takes time, an unpredictable amount of time. The salve relies on penetration to make contact with the malignancy. If it does not penetrate, nothing can be expected to happen. Then, even if it does reach the target, it may or may not be reactive, but this is actually not much of a concern because if it is not reactive, the skin will also probably not react so one could reliably assume that if no blistering occurs within 3-5 days, no reaction can be expected on the deeper level either. In short, very little time is wasted with a strategy that is unlikely to work. However, if a reaction does occur on the skin, it means it can work its way down, but it might take a long time because of the size of the tumor. In a breast, a 7 cm. tumor could take months of treatment. Ultimately, we do not make decisions. We simply offer what we have and the patient wrestles with the information available and goes with the options that seem safest. I am not saying that we should be more detached, merely that our efforts are best used where the patient is most receptive to what we have to offer. |